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Inside the Private Stock Market Boom: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI & the Rise of Secondaries

Brief

Private secondaries have become a central theme for late-stage tech finance: the panel framed a market where record secondary volume is changing how employees, VCs and retail investors access the biggest private companies. Brad Gerstner opened with charts showing secondary activity has roughly doubled since the end of 2021 and that employee secondaries comprised about 31% of primary venture activity in 2025. Gavin Baker and other investors argued that secondaries pricing flipped from discounted levels (around $0.80 on the dollar) to a premium (about $1.06 in Q1 2025), signaling intense bid-side demand even as SPVs and off‑market liquidity raised concerns about fees and transparency (examples cited: 10% loads, double carry structures).

The conversation then turned to consequences and trade-offs. Gavin emphasized the human and fiduciary side: orderly liquidity programs are necessary because employees can be cash-poor despite paper wealth, and long private lives (SpaceX cited as ~24 years private) make structured secondaries important. Kelly — who ran a private company and later a public one — pushed back on romanticizing private status, arguing public scrutiny disciplines management and that democratized distribution (e.g., Schwab plugging ~46 million investors / $12 trillion of retail demand into private offerings) can be positive. Panelists disagreed about whether companies should remain private longer: one speaker said “there is no good reason” to extend private status while others noted founders prefer the perceived freedom of private ownership. They also covered market structure shifts: interval/closed-end funds and tokenization could broaden access (some products with $500 minimums were mentioned), regulatory self-limits on long‑only allocators (typically 3–7% despite a 15% SEC allowance) create latent demand that will flow back once lockups expire, and public pricing risks remain—panelists likened current behavior to 2021 froth rather than 1999–2000 mania and warned retail entrants often YOLO at peaks. The session closed with practical secondary ideas (DriveNets, ARIA, Revolut, Neuro-robotics, Zipline, VAST) and unanimous emphasis on building better infrastructure and disclosure to make this new private-market ecosystem durable rather than a speculative fad.

Why it matters

Brad Gerstner presented data showing secondary transaction volume is now roughly double the 2021 peak (end of 2021) and that employee secondaries grew to represent ~31% of primary venture activity in 2025.

Key details

  • Gavin Baker (Atreides) and others noted secondaries pricing moved from a discount (about $0.80 on the dollar) to a premium (~$1.06) as of Q1 2025, reflecting stronger demand for late-stage private shares.
  • Panelists warned about opaque SPV practices: sellers and buyers have seen 'wild west' SPVs charging ~10% front loads and double carry, and companies such as Anthropic and OpenAI have publicly pushed back against some SPV structures.
  • Kelly (former private-to-public CEO) described the Schwab/Forge-type distribution model as transformative — Schwab brings access to ~46 million investors and $12 trillion in retail assets — and said SpaceX ran permissioned SPVs starting in 2018–2019.
  • Speakers disagreed on the merits of staying private: one panelist argued 'there is no good reason to stay private longer' (voice of dissent) while others said staying private longer is inevitable because founders avoid public scrutiny.
  • Several investment ideas recommended for secondary exposure included: DriveNets and ARIA (networking/infra for AI), Revolut (neobank; ~$1B revenue, tens of millions customers), Neuro-robotics (Europe; logistics robotics), Zipline (drones/medical delivery) and VAST (space stations).
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