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Uhl argued for pragmatic steps the sector can take without waiting for perfect regulation. She pushed methane abatement as a high-impact, near-term lever: methane is far more potent than CO2 in the near term (she cited the 20–80x literature and said she leans to 80x) and buying low‑methane gas through procurement standards could reduce CO2‑equivalent emissions at roughly $5–$15 per ton. She also highlighted system-level solutions to surging electricity demand driven by AI and data centers, praising the Google–Xcel–Sparkfund–Form Energy Minnesota arrangement as an example of coordinating transmission, long‑duration storage and load placement rather than simply building more generation. Throughout, Uhl pressed for alliances across producers, midstream, purchasers (utilities, hyperscalers), nonprofits and academia to align incentives and avoid wasted bets; she noted both the danger of writing off large projects and the need for visionary, patient investments (ASML’s decade-long R&D was invoked as an analogy). Uhl closed with guarded optimism: breakthroughs in carbon removal, stronger protection of natural sinks (forests, mangroves), and mobilizing young talent (she referenced a recent Berkeley visit and staff at Three Cairns) would be signs in ten years that the system is moving in the right direction. Bill Loveless and Uhl agreed on the urgency and complexity of the challenge; disagreements were minimal but the interview stressed tension between short-term affordability/reliability pressures and the long-term environmental imperative.
Jessica Uhl (former Shell CFO) said the environmental goal (planet/atmosphere) is the most at-risk element of the trio 'abundant, resilient, sustainable' and called for urgency because 'time is getting shorter' (episode published 2026-06-09).
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